1 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,365 That's not fair. Come on. 2 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,445 You said yesterday. That's not my fault. 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,520 - Come on you lot, chop chop. - Chop chop! Chop chop! 4 00:00:33,555 --> 00:00:35,205 Anyone seen my overalls? 5 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,120 There's some clean ones in the back, love. 6 00:00:37,155 --> 00:00:38,325 Oh, thanks. 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,180 Andy, Josh, it's ten past. 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,725 - Where's Andy? - I don't know. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,600 - Who's moved my rucksack? - Me, but it was in the way. 10 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,920 Right, Jade, I want you in the car. Come on, get your shoes on. 11 00:00:50,955 --> 00:00:53,720 And you, love, come on, let's go. 12 00:00:53,755 --> 00:00:55,680 - I'm tired! - All right. 13 00:00:55,715 --> 00:00:57,720 And I'm hungry. 14 00:00:57,755 --> 00:00:58,587 Andy! 15 00:00:59,102 --> 00:01:00,923 We are going now. 16 00:01:00,958 --> 00:01:02,645 I'm coming. 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,480 - Have you got your bus fare? - Yeah, see you later. 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,800 - Come on, Chris, you're always late. - See you, love. 19 00:01:10,835 --> 00:01:12,845 Got your recorder, Jade? 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Mum, it's not recorder day today, that's tomorrow. 21 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,680 ♪ Become good friends♪ 22 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Mae, get that. 23 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,360 - Is your mum in? - She's inside. 24 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Mum. 25 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,280 Oh, bloody hell, not you again! 26 00:02:20,315 --> 00:02:22,240 That's right, me again. 27 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,605 Well, what's that? 28 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,200 A warrant to search the house and the garden. 29 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,494 Excuse me. 30 00:02:33,175 --> 00:02:34,920 Mum, what...? 31 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,725 - What's going on? - I don't know. 32 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,640 - Well, what are they all... - They just come in with search warrants. 33 00:02:43,675 --> 00:02:46,280 Mind my house, you great lummock! 34 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,445 What, then, are the signs of abuse 35 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,880 which social workers should look for in children? 36 00:02:51,915 --> 00:02:55,245 These may be physical, unexplained cuts and bruises. 37 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,040 But they may also be behavioural. Is the child withdrawn or aggressive 38 00:03:00,075 --> 00:03:02,085 or unusually introverted? 39 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Is there an unspoken atmosphere of fear in the house? 40 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,285 It's me. 41 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,280 That interfering bloody arsehole bitch is here again. 42 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,880 which social workers should look for in children? 43 00:02:51,915 --> 00:02:55,245 These may be physical, unexplained cuts and bruises. 44 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,800 And anything you need to do, you better get done. 45 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,360 Hm? 46 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Hello. Speaking. 47 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,445 Oh, right. 48 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,440 So you want me to come in now? 49 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Er...no, no, fine. Erm... 50 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Half an hour? 51 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,560 Ok, then, bye. 52 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,885 That were the police. 53 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,325 - They need an appropriate adult. - A what? 54 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,800 You know, it's that thing I volunteered for. 55 00:04:08,835 --> 00:04:11,240 You lot don't listen to a word I say, do you? 56 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,925 - Janet Leach? - Yeah. 57 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,959 This way, please. 58 00:04:58,994 --> 00:05:01,489 Detective Superintendent Bennett's waiting for you. 59 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,925 Janet Leach, the appropriate adult, sir. 60 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,325 Sorry for calling you in at this time of day. 61 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,540 Probation and Social Services had no-one available. 62 00:05:12,575 --> 00:05:15,720 - Do you mind if I ask who it is? - It's a 52-year-old man. 63 00:05:15,755 --> 00:05:17,805 With learning difficulties? 64 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:22,000 Well, all I can say is that we've been advised to have an appropriate adult. 65 00:05:22,035 --> 00:05:23,960 Oh, yes. 66 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,320 - You have done this before? - Oh, no, but I have done the training. 67 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:29,362 Ah. 68 00:05:29,971 --> 00:05:31,170 Carry on. 69 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,760 Howard Ogden, solicitor. 70 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,520 This taped interview is being conducted at Gloucester Central Police Station. 71 00:05:58,555 --> 00:06:00,845 I'm DC Darren Law and my colleague here is... 72 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,680 - DC Hazel Savage. - And could I have your name, please? 73 00:06:03,715 --> 00:06:05,725 Frederick Walter Stephen West. 74 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,400 - And your legal representative... - Howard Ogden. 75 00:06:08,435 --> 00:06:10,680 And acting as your appropriate adult... 76 00:06:10,715 --> 00:06:12,725 Oh, Janet Leach. 77 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,525 You're here to observe the interview is conducted fairly 78 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,080 but also to advise Mr West and facilitate communication with him. 79 00:06:19,115 --> 00:06:21,085 - I understand. - Super. 80 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,214 The date is Friday 25th February 1994, the time is 16:57. 81 00:06:26,609 --> 00:06:28,606 Before we set off I've got to remind you, Fred, 82 00:06:28,641 --> 00:06:29,747 that you're still under caution 83 00:06:29,782 --> 00:06:31,680 and that you don't have to say anything unless you wish to do so 84 00:06:31,715 --> 00:06:33,560 but anything you do say may be used in evidence. 85 00:06:33,595 --> 00:06:35,045 - Do you understand? - Yeah. 86 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:35,741 OK. 87 00:06:36,298 --> 00:06:38,757 You were arrested earlier today by my colleague here 88 00:06:38,835 --> 00:06:41,760 in relation to the murder of your daughter Heather. 89 00:06:41,795 --> 00:06:43,937 Could you tell me on your own words what you know about that? 90 00:06:43,972 --> 00:06:46,486 Well, Heather wanted to leave home, see, 91 00:06:46,521 --> 00:06:49,222 and she'd been knocking about with this girl with a red mini. 92 00:06:49,955 --> 00:06:52,577 That's a mini skirt not a Mini car. 93 00:06:52,612 --> 00:06:55,200 And we were pretty sure she was a lesbian, like, 94 00:06:55,235 --> 00:06:58,165 so me and Rose said, "Hang on a sec, 95 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,040 you'd better think about this, girl, you know, give it a night, at least." 96 00:07:02,075 --> 00:07:04,447 So next morning come up and... 97 00:07:05,254 --> 00:07:06,778 she looked real rough. 98 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,740 She'd been crying and... 99 00:07:09,775 --> 00:07:12,080 So Rose says, "Let her go." 100 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,434 She said, "I'll go to the bank and draw out 600 pounds, 101 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:18,194 she can have that and go". 102 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,640 So, Rose goes off and I'm left in the hall with Heather and her suitcase. 103 00:07:23,675 --> 00:07:27,680 She's got her hands on her hips, you know, the big lady, like... 104 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 I say, "How about you get a flat up the road? 105 00:07:32,755 --> 00:07:34,765 You can have girlfriends up there." 106 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,720 And she said, "If you don't let me fucking go... 107 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,400 I'll give all the kids acid." 108 00:07:40,435 --> 00:07:42,165 That's LSD, like. 109 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,440 "And they'll jump off the church roof and kill their selves." 110 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,885 And I said, "Well, that ain't very nice, girl, 111 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,160 you threatening to do that to your own brothers and sisters." 112 00:07:53,195 --> 00:07:56,400 And she's got this smile on her face, like a sort of smirk, 113 00:07:56,435 --> 00:07:58,885 like, "Try me and I'll do it". 114 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,420 So I just lunged at her like that and then 115 00:08:01,455 --> 00:08:03,921 I grabbed her by the throat, like that, 116 00:08:03,956 --> 00:08:04,956 and held her there for... 117 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,525 I don't know how long but it was real quick because... 118 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,320 It's surprising how long you can hold someone by the throat until they... 119 00:08:13,355 --> 00:08:15,405 until they... 120 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,022 But I can't even remember to that extent what happened next, but 121 00:08:19,594 --> 00:08:21,240 the next minute she's gone blue. 122 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,760 And I'm looking at her from head to foot. You know, what the heck's gone wrong? 123 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,000 I put her on the floor and I'm blowing in her mouth, pumping her chest, 124 00:08:31,035 --> 00:08:34,017 but she kept on getting bluer and I didn't know what to do. 125 00:08:34,052 --> 00:08:36,965 I hadn't meant to hurt her and Rose is due back any minute. 126 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,797 I'm thinking, jeez, I've got to do something and... 127 00:08:39,082 --> 00:08:40,286 I was scared. 128 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,840 So I was going to put her in the Wendy house. 129 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,645 Then I thought I'd put her in the dustbin, 130 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:48,564 but I couldn't get her in there, so... 131 00:08:49,351 --> 00:08:50,830 I get this ice saw. 132 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,600 You know, with the two prongs at the top and the serrated edges, 133 00:08:54,635 --> 00:08:56,255 you use them for 134 00:08:56,308 --> 00:08:57,825 cutting blocks of ice 135 00:08:57,860 --> 00:09:00,200 and I cut her legs off, and... 136 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,906 I mean, that was... 137 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:04,571 unbearable. 138 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,160 Yeah, I can still hear that in my sleep. 139 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,125 And then I cut her head off, and... Well, I closed her eyes first, cos 140 00:09:15,952 --> 00:09:18,360 well, you're not going to take a saw to your own daughter 141 00:09:18,395 --> 00:09:20,800 when she's sat there looking at you, are you? 142 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,660 And then she fit neatly in the bin, so 143 00:09:25,174 --> 00:09:28,161 I push it down the end of the garden, 144 00:09:28,196 --> 00:09:28,697 behind the Wendy House. 145 00:09:28,732 --> 00:09:30,165 Then I take her suitcase 146 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,400 and stuck it behind the vet's on St Michael's Square where everyone chucks their rubbish. 147 00:09:34,435 --> 00:09:37,546 Then I got Heather from behind the Wendy house and... 148 00:09:38,124 --> 00:09:39,370 buried her. 149 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,843 And I been meaning to come down here and get all this sorted out before, 150 00:09:44,475 --> 00:09:46,400 but I never got round to it. 151 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,680 Can I ask if the appropriate adult's all right? 152 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Oh, quite all right, thank you. 153 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,045 Let's get this clear. 154 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,560 - You're saying you killed your daughter. - But not intentionally. 155 00:10:04,595 --> 00:10:06,685 What sort of grave are we looking for? 156 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,400 - Just a hole about four foot square. - And what's in this hole? 157 00:10:10,435 --> 00:10:12,845 - Well, Heather. - How many pieces? 158 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,200 Three pieces, two legs, a head and a body. 159 00:10:15,235 --> 00:10:16,885 That's four pieces. 160 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,040 Are you happy to come to the house and point out where she is? 161 00:10:20,075 --> 00:10:21,445 Yeah. 162 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Why didn't you tell us all this before, Fred? 163 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,165 I wasn't ready. 164 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Or is it cos we're carrying out a search and you were afraid we might find her? 165 00:10:30,955 --> 00:10:31,981 No. 166 00:10:32,481 --> 00:10:35,846 You see, all this is causing stress to Rose and I don't want that, 167 00:10:35,881 --> 00:10:38,520 and the thing I'd like to make clear is that Rose, 168 00:10:38,555 --> 00:10:40,640 knew nothing about any of this. 169 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,900 The time is 17:08 by my watch and the interview is ended 170 00:10:47,935 --> 00:10:51,080 whilst arrangements are made to visit 25 Cromwell Street. 171 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,480 This notice explains what happens to the tapes. 172 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,040 -Can I have a word? - Yeah, sure. 173 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,000 - Is Rose here? - No. 174 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,680 - I've a feeling she's in the building. - She's not here. 175 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,200 I just wanted to make sure you're OK. 176 00:11:12,235 --> 00:11:14,520 Er... Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. 177 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,040 She is here. 178 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,880 I thought they were taking her straight to Cheltenham. 179 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,880 - This way, Mrs West. - You're unbelievable, you lot. 180 00:11:29,915 --> 00:11:31,840 You're fucking unbelievable! 181 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,765 - Hello. - Oh, hi, love, it's me. 182 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,120 - Is everything all right? - Yeah. 183 00:11:41,155 --> 00:11:43,520 - Have you had tea? - Sort of. 184 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:46,324 You might have to put Jade to bed. 185 00:11:46,989 --> 00:11:48,113 Where are you? 186 00:11:48,115 --> 00:11:50,165 I told you, I'm at the police station. 187 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,840 I'm helping the police with an investigation. 188 00:11:52,875 --> 00:11:54,205 What investigation? 189 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Yeah, the press office are working on it now. 190 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,480 I can't talk about it. I'm really sorry, love, I've got to go. 191 00:12:01,515 --> 00:12:03,440 I'll see you later, all right? Bye. 192 00:12:07,315 --> 00:12:09,285 What, overalls? 193 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,560 Standard police issue, are they? Nothing but the best. 194 00:12:12,595 --> 00:12:14,597 Damn stuff drive you mad, it does. 195 00:12:14,632 --> 00:12:16,600 - What's that, then? - Fibreglass. 196 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,320 Been spraying this bloke's loft over Stroud way. 197 00:12:20,355 --> 00:12:23,080 We don't have back-scratchers in the station, Fred. 198 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,240 - Is the car ready? - Don't I know you from somewhere? 199 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,800 - Erm... I'm sure you don't. - You don't half look familiar. 200 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,080 I'll be in the first car with Mr West and his solicitor Mr Ogden. 201 00:12:39,115 --> 00:12:41,480 Ain't just Heather I buried in that garden. 202 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,520 - There's more. - More? 203 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,445 You wouldn't believe it. 204 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,240 Not that you can let on to the police I told you that, eh? 205 00:12:50,275 --> 00:12:52,805 You have got to keep everything I say in confidence. 206 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,440 But you're a good appropriate adult, you'll already know that. 207 00:12:56,475 --> 00:12:58,040 Mrs Leach. 208 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,481 OK? 209 00:13:00,869 --> 00:13:02,075 All ready? 210 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:03,434 Let's go. 211 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:05,834 Right arm, please, Fred. 212 00:13:30,119 --> 00:13:33,039 - Where's Rose? - On her way to Cheltenham Police Station. 213 00:13:33,074 --> 00:13:34,759 She's also under arrest. 214 00:13:35,839 --> 00:13:38,439 - That's a waste of her time and yours. - Come on. 215 00:14:18,439 --> 00:14:20,399 The work I put into this place! 216 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:24,079 Knocking through here and building on there. 217 00:14:25,319 --> 00:14:27,804 Years of back-break to get it looking tickety-boo. 218 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,999 I need to remind you you are under caution, Fred, you understand? 219 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:33,684 Yes, thank you, Hazel. 220 00:14:33,719 --> 00:14:36,796 Now you show us where you buried your daughter Heather. 221 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,799 The problem is remembering what you did when... 222 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:22,599 I'd try there. 223 00:15:24,479 --> 00:15:26,719 - Is Bernard still around? - He's gone home. 224 00:15:26,754 --> 00:15:28,719 - Get him back. - We need a pathologist. 225 00:15:28,754 --> 00:15:30,759 See there? 226 00:15:30,794 --> 00:15:32,719 What? 227 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:35,199 And there? 228 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:39,804 What am I supposed to be looking at? 229 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:43,650 OK, we're going to get a forensic team to start examining that area. 230 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:47,679 We'll go back to the station now, apply for an extension of custody 231 00:15:47,714 --> 00:15:49,724 and resume our interview tomorrow. 232 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:51,839 Is there anything else you wish to say? 233 00:15:52,367 --> 00:15:54,078 Yes. Will the appropriate adult be present? 234 00:15:55,239 --> 00:15:56,759 Can you attend? 235 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,522 Erm... 236 00:15:59,111 --> 00:16:01,514 Yeah, if you want me. 237 00:16:01,549 --> 00:16:03,444 That's sorted, then. 238 00:16:03,479 --> 00:16:05,119 She's been very helpful so far. 239 00:16:54,239 --> 00:16:56,244 - I said yeah. - Ssh! 240 00:16:56,878 --> 00:16:58,879 Come on, you said yesterday, that's not right. 241 00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:04,364 Been on that job over at Barnwood. They've had cowboys in before. 242 00:17:04,399 --> 00:17:06,290 What a mess, 243 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,880 I'm having to re-skim it all. I told them, I said, "This'll take weeks." 244 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:13,639 - Hey, cut it out, you two. - Hey! 245 00:17:22,399 --> 00:17:24,319 - Mike... - Hm? 246 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:28,359 - Have you taken them? - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 247 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:48,899 Gloucester Police Station, the date is 26th February 1994. 248 00:17:48,934 --> 00:17:53,519 The time is 10:38. I'm DC Law, my colleague here is... 249 00:17:53,554 --> 00:17:54,924 DC Savage. 250 00:17:54,959 --> 00:17:57,839 - Your full name, please. - Frederick Walter Stephen West. 251 00:17:57,874 --> 00:18:00,199 - And your legal representative... - Howard Ogden. 252 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,479 - And acting as your appropriate adult... - Janet Leach. 253 00:18:03,514 --> 00:18:06,004 I've to remind that you are still under caution. Do you understand? 254 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:09,044 - Yes and me and him just had an argument. - Discussion. 255 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:12,601 I'm telling you now what I just told him. Heather is not in that garden. 256 00:18:15,399 --> 00:18:18,719 She's alive and well and possibly at this moment in Bahrain. 257 00:18:19,719 --> 00:18:23,439 She's been recruited to work for a drugs cartel as a drugs runner. 258 00:18:23,474 --> 00:18:25,399 They treat her like a queen. 259 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:29,119 She gets in touch now and again to tell me she's all right. 260 00:18:29,154 --> 00:18:31,164 She's using a false name. 261 00:18:31,199 --> 00:18:34,479 I have no idea what that is and I will not let her tell me. 262 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:37,759 Now, whether or not you believe in that is entirely up to you. 263 00:18:37,794 --> 00:18:40,319 But that's why you found nothing and you won't, 264 00:18:40,354 --> 00:18:42,404 not even if you dig till Kingdom Come. 265 00:18:42,439 --> 00:18:46,959 And I don't care how much money and time you waste, cos you wasted mine. 266 00:18:46,994 --> 00:18:50,076 - Not just now but in the past. - There were previous allegations. 267 00:18:50,111 --> 00:18:53,159 - There was nothing in them. - Rape and buggery of your children. 268 00:18:53,194 --> 00:18:55,884 - Which was never proven. - You had me in prison, 269 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:57,933 spat at by other prisoners, my younger kids put into care, 270 00:18:57,968 --> 00:18:59,966 where they still are, poor lambs, 271 00:19:00,001 --> 00:19:01,964 trying to force me to admit that I assaulted them... 272 00:19:01,999 --> 00:19:05,599 - Trying to get to the truth, Fred. - You turned my house upside down. 273 00:19:05,634 --> 00:19:08,519 - And we'll do so again and the garden. - 3,000 pounds that cost me... 274 00:19:08,554 --> 00:19:11,204 And we'll keep on searching until we find Heather. 275 00:19:11,239 --> 00:19:14,079 All because of some remark about her being under the patio! 276 00:19:14,114 --> 00:19:16,044 A remark made by your own daughter. 277 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:18,644 -Anne Marie said it was a family joke. - A jopke. There you are! 278 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:22,119 To social workers who, like me, have had concerns about your family 279 00:19:22,154 --> 00:19:23,524 for a considerable time. 280 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:25,898 You're the beautifulest woman in Gloucester when you're angry, Hazel. 281 00:19:27,274 --> 00:19:30,039 I'm just trying to get to the truth this time, Fred. 282 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:34,084 - You're being personal and vindictive. - I'm being neither. 283 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,378 Against me and my Rose, 284 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:39,840 who loves our family, who'd do anything for them. 285 00:19:40,479 --> 00:19:42,439 Why are you saying this now, Fred? 286 00:19:42,999 --> 00:19:46,919 Last night you took us to the house with Mr Ogden and this lady, 287 00:19:46,954 --> 00:19:48,879 and you showed us a grave. 288 00:19:50,479 --> 00:19:52,524 You inconvenienced me. 289 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,199 So, are you trying to inconvenience DC Savage to get back at her? 290 00:19:56,234 --> 00:19:59,199 You really saying there's nothing in that grave? 291 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:01,359 Why are you smirking? 292 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:03,719 Who's smirking? 293 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:08,123 You said yesterday you wanted to get all this... 294 00:20:08,215 --> 00:20:09,668 sorted out. 295 00:20:09,999 --> 00:20:13,919 Then I spent the night in a cell thinking what I want is Rose back in our home. 296 00:20:13,954 --> 00:20:17,839 I want my children back, I want my house and garden reinstated. We are a family! 297 00:20:20,199 --> 00:20:26,079 Well, let's just ask Mrs Leach, as... an independent lady, what she thinks. 298 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,919 Erm... 299 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:37,319 Well, he's clearly contradicting what he said last night. 300 00:20:37,354 --> 00:20:39,279 Did you hear that, Fred? 301 00:20:40,719 --> 00:20:42,679 And I saw the smirk. 302 00:20:48,639 --> 00:20:51,959 For the benefit of the tape, PC Roberts has entered the room. 303 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:12,310 Nothing more hurtful than someone saying you don't love your kids. 304 00:21:20,653 --> 00:21:22,642 Bet you feel the same way. 305 00:21:23,461 --> 00:21:24,722 Bet you're a mother. 306 00:21:25,199 --> 00:21:28,604 - That's completely irrelevant. - Ah, but it's not, you see, 307 00:21:28,639 --> 00:21:32,239 cos I think you understand how deep my feelings are for my family. 308 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:34,319 Don't you? 309 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:40,719 Time for a cuppa, I'd say, Hazel. 310 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:46,119 We can... We can take a refreshment break shortly. 311 00:21:46,154 --> 00:21:49,684 But first I'd like to discuss the information 312 00:21:49,719 --> 00:21:53,319 that Detective Superintendent Bennett's just sent from your house. 313 00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:54,146 What information? 314 00:21:55,037 --> 00:21:57,524 They've found some bones in the garden. 315 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,079 Well, like I said, I... 316 00:22:08,719 --> 00:22:10,764 I want to get all this sorted out. 317 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,359 Our pathologist is confident they're human. 318 00:22:14,199 --> 00:22:15,394 If I accused you of... 319 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:19,369 inconveniencing me, then, Helen, I... 320 00:22:20,109 --> 00:22:21,582 apologise. 321 00:22:23,439 --> 00:22:27,199 Are you sure you buried Heather all in one place? 322 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,444 You what? 323 00:22:29,479 --> 00:22:34,204 - You didn't scatter any of her body around the garden? - No. 324 00:22:34,239 --> 00:22:37,679 Cos they found another body part in another part of the garden. 325 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,392 Well, I can't think how that could have got there. 326 00:22:43,074 --> 00:22:45,239 What, are you suggesting it wasn't part of Heather? 327 00:22:45,274 --> 00:22:47,199 It must have been. 328 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,124 It was a thigh bone. 329 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,359 They've already found two thigh bones. 330 00:22:52,394 --> 00:22:54,559 Heather didn't have three legs, did she? 331 00:22:58,879 --> 00:23:01,930 Well... do you have any knowledge 332 00:23:02,104 --> 00:23:04,573 how this other bone could have got there, Fred? 333 00:23:07,199 --> 00:23:08,138 Yes. 334 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:11,537 Shirley. 335 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,282 Shirley who? 336 00:23:15,719 --> 00:23:16,765 Robinson. 337 00:23:17,502 --> 00:23:19,486 The girl that caused all the trouble. 338 00:23:22,719 --> 00:23:24,279 The girl with the red mini. 339 00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,638 Thank you, yes. 340 00:23:31,439 --> 00:23:34,119 You see, she lodged with us, and... 341 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,404 ...I had an affair with her and she got pregnant and... 342 00:23:39,439 --> 00:23:42,839 she wanted to marry me and she said she was gonna tell Rose and... 343 00:23:42,874 --> 00:23:46,239 there was a bit of an argument, got out of hand somehow and... 344 00:23:46,274 --> 00:23:48,199 she ended up getting strangled. 345 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:50,644 And where was Rose at this time? 346 00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:53,199 - In the hospital having a baby. - Which baby? 347 00:23:53,479 --> 00:23:54,779 Erm... 348 00:23:54,929 --> 00:23:56,130 Babs. No. Er... 349 00:23:56,882 --> 00:23:58,958 No, not Babs. Erm... 350 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:01,644 Young Rosemarie. 351 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:05,239 I'd come back from seeing Rose in the hospital and... 352 00:24:05,274 --> 00:24:06,783 Shirley and I had this row 353 00:24:07,186 --> 00:24:08,543 and I killed her. 354 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:09,666 How? 355 00:24:09,989 --> 00:24:11,946 Strangled her with a piece of flex. 356 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:13,879 Buried her in the garden? 357 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,679 Yeah. 358 00:24:19,879 --> 00:24:21,839 And her with a baby inside her, too. 359 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,159 Can't tell you how that's haunted me. 360 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,559 I mean, about the baby and... 361 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,479 In killing Shirley, the... 362 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,719 ... the baby would have died, too. 363 00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:03,884 I think we'll end there. 364 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,959 Does anyone have anything else to say? 365 00:25:09,639 --> 00:25:12,239 The time is 11:06 and the interview has ended. 366 00:25:12,274 --> 00:25:14,199 Excuse me. 367 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,160 We've decided to leave the interviews for today. 368 00:26:09,195 --> 00:26:12,285 - Oh, OK. - Erm...Fred needs some clean clothes. 369 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,640 I wondered, could you go to the house with Mr Ogden and get them? 370 00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,085 Erm... Yeah, all right. 371 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,200 And whilst you're at it, could you get some for Mrs West, too? 372 00:26:22,235 --> 00:26:25,205 - We're still holding her at Cheltenham. - OK. 373 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,301 Erm... 374 00:26:27,782 --> 00:26:30,374 Does he really have learning difficulties? 375 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,240 So why do you need an appropriate adult? 376 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,405 Detective Superintendent Bennett's concerned 377 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,680 there's no suggestion, Mr West had difficulty understanding any of this. 378 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,965 Can you give us anything at all? 379 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,120 Can you give us any information atall? 380 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,440 In you go. 381 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040 This way. Right at the top, I think. 382 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,740 174, 174 Quebec Lima, over. 383 00:27:26,775 --> 00:27:28,765 Quebec Lima, go ahead, over. 384 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,400 Can you do anything to improve access to the rear of the property? 385 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,640 I'll look into it now, over. 386 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,680 Upstairs, I think. 387 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,840 342, 342, Quebec Lima, over. 388 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,720 Can you meet DC Kaminsky by the back door? He's got a message for you. 389 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,640 You did know she works as a prostitute? 390 00:28:21,675 --> 00:28:23,560 - I'd worked that out. - Mm. 391 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,200 Clothes. 392 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,080 No, there's nothing in here. 393 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,525 I thought you'd already searched in here. 394 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480 - We're not the police. - Who the fuck are you, then? 395 00:29:33,515 --> 00:29:36,165 - I'm your dad's solicitor. - Well, who's this? 396 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,720 Janet Leach, I'm acting as your father's appropriate adult. 397 00:29:39,755 --> 00:29:41,725 His what? 398 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,780 We've been sent to pick up some clean clothes. 399 00:29:44,815 --> 00:29:47,765 Where is Dad? Cos no-one's told us anything. 400 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,069 Gloucester Police Station. 401 00:29:49,368 --> 00:29:52,066 I'm afraid he's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 402 00:29:52,101 --> 00:29:53,565 Murder of who? 403 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,525 If it's murder then it'll be Mum, not Dad. 404 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680 - Don't say that about Mum! - I'll say what fucking I like! 405 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,040 Don't listen to him. Mum's all right. 406 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Dad's the one. 407 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,480 Tell Mum I hope she's all right and we want her home. 408 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Please will you do that for me? 409 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,000 - Mrs West. - Jesus! You. 410 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,640 This lady's brought you some of your clothes. 411 00:30:46,675 --> 00:30:48,000 What? 412 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,960 You've been to my house, rooting round in my things? 413 00:30:51,995 --> 00:30:54,240 - The police asked me... - Fucking cheek! 414 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,680 We were just quickly in and out and we saw Stephen and Mae, 415 00:30:58,715 --> 00:31:01,200 and Mae said that she hoped you were all right. 416 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,801 By what right, by what right, you nosy fucking bitch, 417 00:31:04,836 --> 00:31:07,258 do you go in my house and speak to my children 418 00:31:07,293 --> 00:31:10,029 and poke about among my private things? 419 00:31:10,064 --> 00:31:11,440 - Rose... - Jesus Christ! 420 00:31:11,475 --> 00:31:13,445 Rose, calm down. 421 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,662 Who are you, anyway? 422 00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,359 - Who are you? - She's helping us, Mrs West. 423 00:31:17,394 --> 00:31:19,756 She's got no right touching my clothing 424 00:31:19,791 --> 00:31:22,119 and you've got no right arresting me! 425 00:31:22,154 --> 00:31:24,725 - All we want is to get to the truth. - No, it ain't. 426 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,840 You want me to say Fred killed our Heather and I helped him. 427 00:31:27,875 --> 00:31:31,840 - Did you? - No, I did not! How many fucking times? 428 00:31:31,875 --> 00:31:34,297 You've got nothing on me and you know it. 429 00:31:34,332 --> 00:31:36,720 - Take her back to the cells, please. - Right. 430 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,510 Don't... 431 00:31:41,658 --> 00:31:43,052 touch me. 432 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,700 Oh, what are you so fucking scared of, you little mouse? 433 00:31:53,735 --> 00:31:57,000 Little mousey-mouse, wouldn't say boo to a fucking goose. 434 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520 I bet you're a dirty little lezzie, too. 435 00:32:00,555 --> 00:32:02,280 Mrs West! 436 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Innocent, isn't she? 437 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720 I said don't touch me, didn't I? 438 00:32:09,755 --> 00:32:11,920 I told you not to fucking touch me. 439 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,280 - Sorry about that. - It's all right. 440 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840 Look, have a seat, I'll get you a glass of water. 441 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200 Occupational hazard, I'm afraid, that kind of abuse. 442 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,740 It's not that. 443 00:32:32,775 --> 00:32:34,760 What is it, then? 444 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,120 Things have happened and been said that I hadn't expected. 445 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880 What things? 446 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,240 Has Fred said anything privately to you about any of this? 447 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040 I can't tell you. I owe a duty of confidence. 448 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,205 Of course. 449 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,880 But if he does try and give you information privately, 450 00:33:06,915 --> 00:33:08,977 you can advise him to speak to me. 451 00:33:09,012 --> 00:33:11,040 I know, I've done the training. 452 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,960 You'd better get home. 453 00:33:48,608 --> 00:33:51,188 What are you doing? It's Sunday. 454 00:33:51,223 --> 00:33:53,768 I know. They need me to go in again. 455 00:33:53,803 --> 00:33:55,773 What? 456 00:33:55,808 --> 00:33:57,813 The police. 457 00:33:57,848 --> 00:33:59,808 Bloody hell, Janet. 458 00:34:08,848 --> 00:34:10,893 Hello. 459 00:34:10,928 --> 00:34:12,928 Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm just going in now. 460 00:34:14,328 --> 00:34:16,368 Coping? Of course I'm coping. 461 00:34:16,403 --> 00:34:18,328 Who says I'm not? 462 00:34:21,048 --> 00:34:23,008 Pull out? No! 463 00:34:25,768 --> 00:34:28,608 So, you're saying if I carry on, you won't support me? 464 00:34:30,888 --> 00:34:32,848 OK, fine! 465 00:34:42,768 --> 00:34:46,018 I want that statement on my desk first thing in the morning, you understand? 466 00:34:47,083 --> 00:34:48,050 Excuse me. 467 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:51,034 Can I ask? Have you said something to her? 468 00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:52,303 What? 469 00:34:52,688 --> 00:34:55,528 The organiser of the appropriate adult register. 470 00:34:55,563 --> 00:34:56,888 Yes, yes, I have. 471 00:34:57,648 --> 00:35:00,048 Did you tell her that I wasn't up to this? 472 00:35:00,083 --> 00:35:01,453 No, I did not. 473 00:35:01,488 --> 00:35:04,408 Cos she rang me and asked me if I wanted to pull out. 474 00:35:04,443 --> 00:35:07,205 I explained it was a very difficult and distressing case. 475 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,968 She's perfectly entitled to give you that opportunity. 476 00:35:10,003 --> 00:35:11,408 Well, I won't. 477 00:35:12,168 --> 00:35:14,728 Are you quite sure you still feel able to carry on? 478 00:35:15,728 --> 00:35:16,910 Yeah, absolutely. 479 00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:18,482 Very well. 480 00:35:18,568 --> 00:35:21,648 Janet! There's been a development. 481 00:35:21,683 --> 00:35:22,653 What? 482 00:35:22,688 --> 00:35:24,966 Fred's indicated that there's another body in the garden. 483 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:28,271 - Who? - A girl called Alison Chambers. 484 00:35:28,306 --> 00:35:30,858 I suspect he's told us cos we'll find the body anyway. 485 00:35:31,279 --> 00:35:34,541 I want him to point out the grave. Can you come to the house? 486 00:35:35,043 --> 00:35:36,968 Er... Yeah, of course. 487 00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:00,288 So, here, Fred, this here's where we found bones 488 00:36:00,323 --> 00:36:03,888 that you say may belong to Shirley Robinson. 489 00:36:05,688 --> 00:36:07,648 Where did you bury Alison Chambers? 490 00:36:08,848 --> 00:36:10,808 Well, now... 491 00:36:11,208 --> 00:36:13,648 - Now you're asking. - Yes, I am asking, Fred. 492 00:36:15,928 --> 00:36:17,368 Let's see. 493 00:36:37,168 --> 00:36:39,488 No. I don't think I can get it. 494 00:36:41,848 --> 00:36:43,808 Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. 495 00:36:45,648 --> 00:36:47,608 I'm picking something up. 496 00:36:57,648 --> 00:36:59,568 - Yeah, that's her. - Alison? 497 00:37:01,808 --> 00:37:04,088 Yeah, she's trying to tell me something. 498 00:37:04,123 --> 00:37:06,048 What's she trying to tell you, Fred? 499 00:37:08,048 --> 00:37:10,008 Where she is, but I... 500 00:37:10,888 --> 00:37:13,888 I don't think I can understand what she's trying to... 501 00:37:16,048 --> 00:37:18,008 Yeah, hold on, hold on. Erm... 502 00:37:36,008 --> 00:37:37,968 Yeah. Try there. 503 00:37:39,248 --> 00:37:41,408 Now that's your lot, you'll find no more. 504 00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:44,634 What about... 505 00:37:45,582 --> 00:37:47,097 Rena? 506 00:37:48,006 --> 00:37:50,408 - Rena? - Your first wife. 507 00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:53,568 And what about Charmaine? 508 00:37:55,488 --> 00:37:58,293 - Charmaine? - Why are you looking at me like that? 509 00:37:58,328 --> 00:38:01,928 Rena had a daughter Charmaine, who became your step-daughter. 510 00:38:03,008 --> 00:38:05,053 Where are they? 511 00:38:05,088 --> 00:38:07,408 Well, you lose... you lose track of people, don't you? 512 00:38:07,443 --> 00:38:09,174 You said you'd lost track of Heather, 513 00:38:09,209 --> 00:38:12,773 but you killed her and buried her, in this garden. 514 00:38:12,808 --> 00:38:16,268 And you did the same to Shirley Robinson and Alison Chambers. 515 00:38:16,303 --> 00:38:19,728 You won't find Rena and Charmaine here, and that I swear. 516 00:38:21,528 --> 00:38:24,608 And even if you don't believe me, I know the appropriate adult does, 517 00:38:24,643 --> 00:38:27,328 cos she understands me in a way that you lot don't. 518 00:38:28,448 --> 00:38:30,493 Isn't that so? 519 00:38:30,528 --> 00:38:33,328 How could I understand you? You've killed people. 520 00:38:34,128 --> 00:38:37,248 Because you're a woman who can see beneath the surface. 521 00:38:37,283 --> 00:38:39,768 And a woman who knows remorse when she sees it. 522 00:38:42,648 --> 00:38:44,608 Not like you lot. 523 00:38:45,808 --> 00:38:48,439 The police have found two more bodies in the garden in Gloucester 524 00:38:48,474 --> 00:38:50,621 where the remains of the missing schoolgirl Heather West 525 00:38:50,656 --> 00:38:52,102 were discovered on Saturday. 526 00:38:52,654 --> 00:38:54,495 Her father is charged with her murder. 527 00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:57,293 The two new bodies are thought to be of adults 528 00:38:57,328 --> 00:38:59,728 but police say identification will be difficult. 529 00:38:59,763 --> 00:39:02,093 They're checking registers of missing people. 530 00:39:02,128 --> 00:39:04,689 Our West Of England reporter Steve Scott has the details... 531 00:39:04,724 --> 00:39:08,248 Can I use that table? I can't concentrate in there. 532 00:39:08,283 --> 00:39:10,293 Oh, yeah. 533 00:39:10,328 --> 00:39:13,328 ..the city's biggest-ever criminal investigation. 534 00:39:14,048 --> 00:39:16,253 Is this the thing you're involved with? 535 00:39:16,288 --> 00:39:19,728 Forensic teams have unearthed three sets of human remains... 536 00:39:21,088 --> 00:39:23,048 It is, isn't it? 537 00:39:24,728 --> 00:39:26,648 It obviously is, Josh. 538 00:39:27,208 --> 00:39:29,168 She can't talk about it. 539 00:39:30,848 --> 00:39:32,893 Do you think there are more bodies? 540 00:39:32,928 --> 00:39:35,733 I bet there are more, though, most people do. 541 00:39:35,768 --> 00:39:39,528 Police have confirmed the man's wife has been released without charge. 542 00:39:39,563 --> 00:39:43,528 Indications are that the police operation at 25 Cromwell Street 543 00:39:43,563 --> 00:39:45,488 could go on for many more days yet. 544 00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:49,928 What's that number again, please? 545 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:55,853 Jacqui will show you out. 546 00:39:55,888 --> 00:39:59,282 I know this is distressing but that information could be really useful. 547 00:40:03,048 --> 00:40:05,368 We'll be in touch if we have any news at all. 548 00:40:08,688 --> 00:40:10,370 - Ready for another session? - Yeah. 549 00:40:10,828 --> 00:40:11,937 Who was that? 550 00:40:12,087 --> 00:40:13,721 Mr and Mrs Gough. 551 00:40:13,888 --> 00:40:17,328 Gloucester couple whose daughter lodged with the Wests 20 years ago. 552 00:40:17,363 --> 00:40:20,648 We found some belongings in the house we think may be hers. 553 00:40:20,683 --> 00:40:23,248 You think she could be another victim? - Yup. 554 00:40:23,283 --> 00:40:24,968 Where's this going to end? 555 00:40:25,568 --> 00:40:29,008 There are three bodies and that's it. I said I'm willing to sort all that out. 556 00:40:29,043 --> 00:40:32,128 I know I'll never go home again but I want my garden reinstated 557 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:33,893 and I want Rose and the kids back home. 558 00:40:33,928 --> 00:40:36,928 - She can't go back home! - Why not? You've released Rose. 559 00:40:36,963 --> 00:40:39,234 She's with Mae and Stephen, the younger kids are in care. 560 00:40:39,269 --> 00:40:41,667 We're still searching the property 561 00:40:41,702 --> 00:40:44,065 and the fact that we've released Rose 562 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,768 doesn't mean that we belive she's innocent. 563 00:40:45,803 --> 00:40:47,728 This is all wrong, see. 564 00:40:50,128 --> 00:40:52,728 Did Rose know about your relationship with Shirley Robinson? 565 00:40:52,763 --> 00:40:54,093 No, she didn't. 566 00:40:54,128 --> 00:40:57,208 Living under the same roof? Rose must have known she was pregnant. 567 00:40:57,243 --> 00:41:00,928 - She didn't know I was the father. - I suggest that she did. 568 00:41:02,008 --> 00:41:03,968 I suggest she was jealous. 569 00:41:05,408 --> 00:41:07,328 I suggest she helped you to kill her. 570 00:41:08,808 --> 00:41:10,585 - We've found Shirley's body, Fred. - I know. 571 00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:11,865 It was me who showed you where it was. 572 00:41:12,523 --> 00:41:16,928 So, can you explain why the baby wasn't inside her? 573 00:41:18,185 --> 00:41:19,062 What? 574 00:41:19,808 --> 00:41:23,128 The baby has not been left intact in the abdomen. 575 00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:43,328 I need to take a break. 576 00:41:47,488 --> 00:41:50,288 The time is 11:45, the interview has ended. 577 00:41:52,168 --> 00:41:54,928 - Back in a minute, Fred. - Can you sign this off, Mrs Leach? 578 00:41:56,288 --> 00:41:59,688 - I need to speak to you. - Yes, Mr Ogden, of course. 579 00:41:59,723 --> 00:42:01,448 I need to see that report. 580 00:42:06,486 --> 00:42:08,202 That would have been Rose. 581 00:42:10,555 --> 00:42:11,727 What would? 582 00:42:13,055 --> 00:42:14,426 The baby. 583 00:42:19,637 --> 00:42:23,314 Are you saying that Rose removed the baby from Shirley's womb? 584 00:42:25,914 --> 00:42:27,062 Oh, no, no. 585 00:42:28,786 --> 00:42:31,661 No, no, Rose is a mother, she'd never do a thing like that. 586 00:42:35,288 --> 00:42:36,888 I can't do this. 587 00:42:39,048 --> 00:42:41,008 Don't go, please. 588 00:42:42,008 --> 00:42:44,928 Give me one good reason why I should listen to this crap. 589 00:42:44,963 --> 00:42:47,373 - I know you've suffered. - What? 590 00:42:47,408 --> 00:42:50,158 - You don't know anything about me. - I can see it in your eyes. I know 591 00:42:50,193 --> 00:42:52,849 you've not always been properly loved and respected by men. 592 00:43:01,128 --> 00:43:03,088 I've had enough of this. 593 00:43:05,488 --> 00:43:07,733 You need to tell the police everything. 594 00:43:07,768 --> 00:43:12,768 If you've killed other women, they need to know. The girls' families need to know. 595 00:43:12,803 --> 00:43:15,453 I'm not admitting nothing else to Mr Ogden or the police. 596 00:43:15,488 --> 00:43:19,368 - I'm going and I'll not be coming back. - You're my appropriate adult. 597 00:43:19,403 --> 00:43:21,413 - I don't give a shit! - Please, please! 598 00:43:21,448 --> 00:43:24,768 Please, Janet, please stay! You're the only one I can trust. 599 00:43:40,408 --> 00:43:42,368 On one condition. 600 00:43:43,888 --> 00:43:46,008 You tell the police who else you've killed. 601 00:43:49,888 --> 00:43:51,293 All right. 602 00:43:51,328 --> 00:43:54,128 In writing, so you can't back-track. 603 00:43:57,208 --> 00:43:59,168 I'll get Mr Ogden in. 604 00:44:00,088 --> 00:44:02,648 - Mr Ogden. - Yes? 605 00:44:10,528 --> 00:44:12,488 Mr West wants to make a statement. 606 00:44:12,928 --> 00:44:15,608 - Saying what? - Who else he's killed. 607 00:44:18,648 --> 00:44:20,608 Really? 608 00:44:23,728 --> 00:44:25,215 Well... 609 00:44:28,648 --> 00:44:30,608 What exactly do you want to say? 610 00:44:32,614 --> 00:44:34,059 Go on, Fred. 611 00:44:35,568 --> 00:44:37,528 Here, Janet, come and sit here. 612 00:44:42,328 --> 00:44:44,288 So, what shall we put? 613 00:44:45,008 --> 00:44:46,128 Go on. 614 00:44:47,008 --> 00:44:52,608 "I, Frederick West, authorise my solicitor..." 615 00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:53,023 Authorise my solicitor... 616 00:44:53,058 --> 00:44:55,167 - "Howard Ogden..." - Howard Ogden... 617 00:44:56,728 --> 00:44:59,368 "to advise Superintendent Bennett..." 618 00:44:59,403 --> 00:45:00,848 Superintendent Bennett... 619 00:45:03,688 --> 00:45:05,448 Of? 620 00:45:07,897 --> 00:45:09,149 Of a... 621 00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:11,454 a further... 622 00:45:12,288 --> 00:45:13,728 ... eight killings. 623 00:45:16,008 --> 00:45:17,208 Eight? 624 00:45:20,978 --> 00:45:22,110 All right, nine. 625 00:45:25,808 --> 00:45:27,368 Well, is it eight or nine? 626 00:45:36,768 --> 00:45:38,773 Erm... 627 00:45:38,808 --> 00:45:40,185 Shall we just put "approx"? 628 00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,116 That's it, "approx". 629 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,854 Good girl. 630 00:45:44,928 --> 00:45:49,248 "Of a further nine... 631 00:45:52,608 --> 00:45:55,568 ... approx, killings." 632 00:46:08,702 --> 00:46:10,667 - Is this his signature? - Yes. 633 00:46:10,702 --> 00:46:12,587 These don't sound like his words. 634 00:46:12,622 --> 00:46:15,662 Well, we drafted it for him, following his instructions. 635 00:46:15,697 --> 00:46:17,147 We? 636 00:46:17,182 --> 00:46:20,782 He made this admission following a conversation with Mrs Leach. 637 00:46:22,062 --> 00:46:24,022 I also got him to draw a map. 638 00:46:24,862 --> 00:46:28,702 He said some bodies are in the garden, some are under the cellar floor 639 00:46:28,737 --> 00:46:30,747 and there's a body in a field. 640 00:46:30,782 --> 00:46:33,827 It's all a bit vague. Others to be identified. 641 00:46:33,862 --> 00:46:37,222 We've made a start, trying to identify who they might be. 642 00:46:37,257 --> 00:46:39,267 It's a huge breakthrough, sir. 643 00:46:39,302 --> 00:46:41,307 Why did he come out with all of this? 644 00:46:41,342 --> 00:46:44,902 I told him that if he didn't start telling the truth, 645 00:46:44,937 --> 00:46:46,867 then I wouldn't help him any more. 646 00:46:46,902 --> 00:46:49,387 That could be seen as putting him under duress. 647 00:46:49,422 --> 00:46:50,634 How? 648 00:46:50,814 --> 00:46:52,422 I was just being honest 649 00:46:52,457 --> 00:46:55,481 and I told him it was you he should tell, not me, 650 00:46:55,516 --> 00:46:59,862 because what he tells me I have to keep in private, confidential. 651 00:46:59,897 --> 00:47:01,942 You've done exactly the right thing. 652 00:47:02,742 --> 00:47:04,787 I won't have to go to court, will I? 653 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:09,062 Oh, I doubt that very much, Mrs Leach, you're the appropriate adult. 654 00:47:09,097 --> 00:47:11,062 You're here to assist Mr West. 655 00:47:18,222 --> 00:47:20,182 See, the problem I have down here, 656 00:47:21,942 --> 00:47:23,987 is the high water table. 657 00:47:24,022 --> 00:47:27,582 No matter how much concrete you put down, you still get seepage. 658 00:47:33,462 --> 00:47:35,422 Let's see what I can do for you. 659 00:47:49,862 --> 00:47:51,822 Hm... 660 00:47:53,662 --> 00:47:56,142 - I don't know. - What don't you know, Fred? 661 00:47:59,982 --> 00:48:01,942 If I can feel... If I can feel them. 662 00:48:15,182 --> 00:48:18,782 I can feel their spirits reaching out to me but... 663 00:48:21,182 --> 00:48:23,702 ... I'm getting the same message from all of them. 664 00:48:24,582 --> 00:48:28,662 They're trying to tell me they're... they're better off where they are. 665 00:48:30,502 --> 00:48:32,462 They don't want to be disturbed. 666 00:48:33,422 --> 00:48:35,467 This is a pile of crap! 667 00:48:35,502 --> 00:48:38,302 Either there are more bodies here or there aren't. 668 00:48:38,822 --> 00:48:40,502 He's told us that there are. 669 00:48:40,902 --> 00:48:43,782 He'd better not have come up with those nine to impress you. 670 00:48:43,817 --> 00:48:46,819 - I don't think he has. - Be wary of getting pally with him. 671 00:48:46,854 --> 00:48:49,822 I'm not getting pally with him, I'm just trying to help. 672 00:48:51,542 --> 00:48:55,502 Dig the floor up. Take the house apart brick by brick if you have to. 673 00:48:55,537 --> 00:48:57,547 This is getting out of hand. 674 00:48:57,582 --> 00:49:00,942 People will start thinking he's taking the mickey out of us. 675 00:49:13,822 --> 00:49:15,382 Thanks. 676 00:49:23,142 --> 00:49:24,747 - Janet Leach? - Yeah. 677 00:49:24,782 --> 00:49:26,707 -Can we have a quick chat? - What about? 678 00:49:26,742 --> 00:49:30,067 - What you're doing with the police. - Janet? Hi, Kirsty Stevens. 679 00:49:30,102 --> 00:49:34,502 - Fuck off, Kirsty, I'm talking to her. - Janet, before you make any decisions, 680 00:49:34,537 --> 00:49:36,547 please talk to me. 681 00:49:36,582 --> 00:49:39,147 - What do you mean, decisions? - Cromwell Street. 682 00:49:39,182 --> 00:49:41,942 - You clearly know the inside story. - Who told you that? 683 00:49:41,977 --> 00:49:43,987 We have our ways. 684 00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:45,982 I've got nothing to say to you. 685 00:49:49,137 --> 00:49:50,318 It's me. 686 00:49:52,262 --> 00:49:53,826 Hi, how's things? 687 00:49:55,262 --> 00:49:59,782 Look at this, it's a Jag XJ6 4.2-litre coupe. 688 00:49:59,817 --> 00:50:02,147 - What? - Yeah, there were only 6,000 made. 689 00:50:02,182 --> 00:50:05,822 It's got full leather, automatic transmission, top speed of 120. 690 00:50:06,382 --> 00:50:09,862 - "Immaculate throughout." - You're not thinking of buying a car? 691 00:50:09,897 --> 00:50:12,982 - He only wants four grand. - We haven't got four grand. 692 00:50:13,017 --> 00:50:14,987 - We can get it, easy. - How? 693 00:50:15,022 --> 00:50:17,942 The newspapers. Look what came through the door. 694 00:50:17,977 --> 00:50:19,222 What? 695 00:50:24,782 --> 00:50:26,205 They want to buy your story. 696 00:50:28,302 --> 00:50:31,502 - It could be worth thousands. - I can't talk to the press. 697 00:50:31,537 --> 00:50:33,462 I bet everyone else is. 698 00:50:34,502 --> 00:50:36,307 - Who? - I don't know. The police? 699 00:50:36,342 --> 00:50:38,787 How else does all this stuff get in the papers? 700 00:50:38,822 --> 00:50:40,558 It's a hell of a story, Janet. 701 00:50:40,593 --> 00:50:43,065 It's just been on the news about there being more bodies. 702 00:50:43,377 --> 00:50:45,302 Mike, this is ridiculous. 703 00:50:46,302 --> 00:50:49,222 I'm doing this because it's vital, not to make money. 704 00:50:49,257 --> 00:50:51,182 That's bonkers, if you ask me. 705 00:50:52,222 --> 00:50:55,822 Well, I'll... I'll have to rustle it up from somewhere else, then. 706 00:50:57,422 --> 00:50:58,822 Is he all right? 707 00:50:59,502 --> 00:51:02,702 - What do you mean? - It's the sort of thing he starts doing, 708 00:51:02,737 --> 00:51:05,159 talking a lot, buying stuff he can't afford. 709 00:51:05,194 --> 00:51:07,582 No, he's fine, he's taking his medication. 710 00:51:07,982 --> 00:51:09,587 Yet another takeaway. 711 00:51:10,057 --> 00:51:11,372 Yeah. 712 00:51:11,982 --> 00:51:14,782 - We had to eat something. - I'll give you the money. 713 00:51:16,022 --> 00:51:17,982 How long's this going to go on? 714 00:51:20,662 --> 00:51:22,622 I don't know, love. 715 00:51:47,982 --> 00:51:50,027 Oh, it takes me back, this, you know. 716 00:51:50,062 --> 00:51:53,182 Right back to boyhood. Every inch, every blade of grass. 717 00:51:54,302 --> 00:51:55,987 That's Letterbox Field there. 718 00:51:56,022 --> 00:51:59,862 We've come to search for the remains of your first wife. We're not sightseeing. 719 00:51:59,897 --> 00:52:03,182 I know. Lovely to get out of that police station, eh, Janet? 720 00:52:03,217 --> 00:52:05,142 Smell God's fresh air. 721 00:52:31,422 --> 00:52:32,822 Try there. 722 00:52:34,022 --> 00:52:36,102 Ok, lads. We're over here. 723 00:52:37,342 --> 00:52:40,942 That's the spot there. Mark that, then, Darren. That's it. 724 00:52:41,782 --> 00:52:44,262 So, if you take that as your starting point... 725 00:52:46,222 --> 00:52:48,782 Wouldn't mind a wander over there, too, Janet. 726 00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:49,622 Why? 727 00:52:50,982 --> 00:52:54,222 - For old times' sake. - What's so special about over there? 728 00:52:55,822 --> 00:52:58,342 See, I love Rose and I loved Rena, too, but... 729 00:52:59,582 --> 00:53:00,982 ...Anna was the one. 730 00:53:02,342 --> 00:53:03,542 Who's Anna? 731 00:53:04,382 --> 00:53:06,342 The true love of my life. 732 00:53:09,182 --> 00:53:11,182 Anna was having a baby, too, but... 733 00:53:12,662 --> 00:53:14,622 That was a baby I wanted. 734 00:53:16,222 --> 00:53:18,162 I don't understand. 735 00:53:18,197 --> 00:53:20,102 Are you all right? 736 00:53:21,262 --> 00:53:23,342 I was just asking Janet about my fish. 737 00:53:23,377 --> 00:53:24,782 Fish? 738 00:53:25,422 --> 00:53:27,542 My tropical fish, who's feeding them? 739 00:53:27,577 --> 00:53:29,142 Let's get you back to the nick. 740 00:53:58,822 --> 00:54:01,987 Mike, have you bought it? 741 00:54:02,022 --> 00:54:05,462 Yeah. It's not the one I went after, in the end, it's another. 742 00:54:05,497 --> 00:54:08,067 - Beautiful, isn't it? - How much was it? 743 00:54:08,102 --> 00:54:09,694 It's just immaculate. 744 00:54:09,711 --> 00:54:12,714 The bloke I bought it from, he's a Jag specialist. 745 00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:14,102 How much was it? 746 00:54:15,142 --> 00:54:17,827 - Nine grand. - 9,000? 747 00:54:17,862 --> 00:54:20,262 You can't spend that kind of money on a car. 748 00:54:20,297 --> 00:54:22,307 It's fine, I got it on HP. 749 00:54:22,342 --> 00:54:25,827 We don't even need another car. What is going on in here? 750 00:54:25,862 --> 00:54:29,862 We've got a new TV and a new video, too. Even better deal than the car. 751 00:54:30,342 --> 00:54:33,638 I got this new unit to put them on, but they haven't supplied enough fixings... 752 00:54:33,673 --> 00:54:36,742 Mike, Mike, this is ridiculous, we're... 753 00:54:36,777 --> 00:54:38,307 - Mike, Mike! - What? 754 00:54:38,342 --> 00:54:40,862 We're not getting a new TV or a new car. 755 00:54:40,897 --> 00:54:43,079 Have you been taking your lithium? 756 00:54:43,114 --> 00:54:45,262 - Yeah, of course, yeah. - Are you sure? 757 00:54:51,022 --> 00:54:53,467 No, you haven't, you've been missing days. 758 00:54:53,502 --> 00:54:55,258 You can't afford to miss any days, you know that. 759 00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:57,962 Right, kids, upstairs. Go on. Go! 760 00:55:01,942 --> 00:55:05,622 Mike, the car is going back, and the TV and the video. 761 00:55:05,657 --> 00:55:07,867 - Why? - Just sit down. Just sit down. 762 00:55:07,902 --> 00:55:10,462 - No. Why? Just sit down, go and sit down. 763 00:55:10,497 --> 00:55:12,422 Come on, love. 764 00:55:12,822 --> 00:55:14,782 Come on. 765 00:55:20,502 --> 00:55:23,002 I'm going to have to get you into the hospital. 766 00:55:23,037 --> 00:55:25,502 I'm going to go and call them now, all right? 767 00:55:29,062 --> 00:55:31,462 - I warned you. - Just stay out of this, Josh. 768 00:55:31,942 --> 00:55:34,982 None of this would have happened if you'd been thinking of us. 769 00:55:36,862 --> 00:55:39,222 You'd far rather spend time with that murderer. 770 00:55:39,257 --> 00:55:41,182 Just leave it, will you, Josh? 771 00:55:45,502 --> 00:55:49,587 Oh, hello, yeah, my name's Janet Leach and I'm calling about my partner. 772 00:55:49,622 --> 00:55:54,022 Yeah, he's bi-polar and he's going into a high and I need to bring him in urgently. 773 00:56:11,952 --> 00:56:13,912 He's finally dropped off. 774 00:56:17,032 --> 00:56:19,752 He's clearly got very over-stimulated, though. 775 00:56:21,032 --> 00:56:25,152 It could take days, maybe weeks, to get him fully stabilised again. 776 00:56:26,232 --> 00:56:27,290 I see. 777 00:56:28,144 --> 00:56:30,918 - Do you need me to stay? - No. 778 00:56:31,312 --> 00:56:34,992 Would it be all right if I came back this afternoon about half-four? 779 00:56:35,027 --> 00:56:36,432 Fine. 780 00:56:44,872 --> 00:56:48,085 I'm admitting nothing cos I've got fucking nothing to admit. 781 00:56:48,201 --> 00:56:51,592 - So it's all Dad. - That's what I'm saying, Mae. 782 00:56:51,627 --> 00:56:53,637 I'm as shocked about this as you are. 783 00:56:53,672 --> 00:56:56,597 Rose has denied it to us, and to her daughter. 784 00:56:56,632 --> 00:57:00,032 We've got nothing else on her. So, unless Fred drops her in it... 785 00:57:00,067 --> 00:57:00,992 Janet. 786 00:57:02,312 --> 00:57:05,717 - Ready to crack on? - Yeah, but erm... 787 00:57:05,752 --> 00:57:09,192 - I need to leave at four, I've got an urgent family matter. - That's Fine. 788 00:57:13,112 --> 00:57:16,672 Did you engage them in sadomasochistic acts? 789 00:57:16,707 --> 00:57:18,689 They were adventurous young girls. 790 00:57:18,724 --> 00:57:20,672 So, how did you end up killing them? 791 00:57:21,632 --> 00:57:23,517 You even got the killing wrong. 792 00:57:23,552 --> 00:57:27,272 You're trying to make out that I just went out and blatantly killed people. 793 00:57:27,307 --> 00:57:30,209 It weren't like that. Enjoyment turned to disaster. 794 00:57:30,244 --> 00:57:33,112 We're all having difficulty understanding this. 795 00:57:33,672 --> 00:57:40,632 Especially how these things can have gone on without Rose's knowledge. 796 00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:43,072 - Rose was out. - Out where? 797 00:57:43,107 --> 00:57:44,712 Shopping. 798 00:57:45,392 --> 00:57:47,672 Whilst you had sex, murdered and buried them? 799 00:57:47,707 --> 00:57:49,952 She must have had an awful lot of shopping to do! 800 00:57:49,987 --> 00:57:52,232 She does. It's a fair old walk to Tesco. 801 00:57:56,112 --> 00:57:58,112 Mary Bastholme. 802 00:57:58,147 --> 00:58:00,112 Carol Cooper. 803 00:58:00,872 --> 00:58:02,632 Lucy Partington. 804 00:58:04,192 --> 00:58:05,717 Shirley Hubbard. 805 00:58:05,752 --> 00:58:07,637 Those women didn't stay at your house. 806 00:58:07,672 --> 00:58:09,569 I don't believe they were known to you, 807 00:58:09,604 --> 00:58:11,466 they just disappeared from local bus stops. 808 00:58:13,952 --> 00:58:16,592 - Do you know where you were, then? - One more time... 809 00:58:16,627 --> 00:58:18,992 Did Rose know about these sexual encounters? 810 00:58:19,712 --> 00:58:21,272 Did she participate in them? 811 00:58:22,952 --> 00:58:26,272 - Did Rose kill Charmaine? - Rose didn't kill no-one. 812 00:58:27,352 --> 00:58:30,392 I killed Charmaine when I come out of Leyhill Prison. 813 00:58:30,427 --> 00:58:32,952 For the last time, Rose had no part of this. 814 00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:34,912 Your loyalty's very touching. 815 00:58:36,592 --> 00:58:38,792 Do you think she feels the same about you? 816 00:58:40,632 --> 00:58:42,357 - Rose loves me. - You're so confident about that 817 00:58:42,418 --> 00:58:44,089 you didn't mind her having sex with other men? 818 00:58:44,604 --> 00:58:46,302 - That's correct. - So long as you knew about it. 819 00:58:46,676 --> 00:58:50,552 - I always knew about it. - So you knew she was seeing male clients 820 00:58:50,587 --> 00:58:52,432 at another premises in Gloucester? 821 00:58:53,272 --> 00:58:55,192 - What? - 22 Sunderland Street. 822 00:58:59,032 --> 00:59:02,952 - That's rubbish! - We spoke to men who met her there for sex. 823 00:59:02,987 --> 00:59:04,912 Do you find that upsetting, Fred? 824 00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:09,992 There were things in Rose's life you didn't know about. 825 00:59:11,432 --> 00:59:14,010 Sexual relationships she kept to herself. 826 00:59:14,306 --> 00:59:16,869 - No, I don't, cos you're making it up. - No, I'm not Fred. 827 00:59:17,027 --> 00:59:18,952 I bloody well know you are! 828 00:59:22,992 --> 00:59:24,992 Rose is all mine, she always has been. 829 00:59:25,672 --> 00:59:28,592 And I would know, I'd know here if that ever changed. 830 00:59:31,072 --> 00:59:34,792 Rose is my love, that was she is, and I ain't having you lot telling me otherwise. 831 00:59:34,827 --> 00:59:38,232 - Sit down, please, Fred. - Fred, you're not helping yourself. 832 00:59:47,032 --> 00:59:50,272 The interview is ended at 15:47 by my watch. 833 00:59:52,712 --> 00:59:56,992 This suggestion that Rose West was seeing men without Mr West's knowledge, 834 00:59:57,027 --> 00:59:58,682 any further disclosure about that? 835 00:59:58,717 --> 01:00:02,472 - You'd better come to the office. - I want to be giving the correct advice. 836 01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:04,392 - Don't rush off, Janet. - I have to. 837 01:00:06,152 --> 01:00:09,272 That's bullshit about Rose seeing other fellas in some place I don't know about. 838 01:00:09,307 --> 01:00:11,592 I'm afraid I can't stay and discuss it now. 839 01:00:13,712 --> 01:00:15,952 A man needs to know his wife has no secrets. 840 01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:18,157 Would you keep secrets from your husband? 841 01:00:18,192 --> 01:00:21,272 - I'm not married. - There's a lucky fella in your life. I can tell. 842 01:00:21,307 --> 01:00:24,352 - Mind your own bloody business. - Please don't go. Please. 843 01:00:25,792 --> 01:00:28,792 There's something I want to tell you. It's about Rose. 844 01:00:30,632 --> 01:00:32,592 What about her? 845 01:00:33,792 --> 01:00:35,752 She was involved. 846 01:00:49,112 --> 01:00:50,792 In how many of them? 847 01:00:50,827 --> 01:00:52,312 Lots. 848 01:00:54,472 --> 01:00:58,272 The things I could tell you about what she done to some of them girls. 849 01:00:58,307 --> 01:01:00,232 I may have started it, but... 850 01:01:02,192 --> 01:01:04,632 ..she took over and did whatever she liked. 851 01:01:06,392 --> 01:01:10,312 I mean it. She did took that baby out of Shirley's body, not me. 852 01:01:12,152 --> 01:01:13,501 That's the kind of woman she is. 853 01:01:14,232 --> 01:01:17,290 If all that is true, how can you hold that back from the police? 854 01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:18,478 For the sake of the family. 855 01:01:18,952 --> 01:01:20,461 I don't understand. 856 01:01:20,619 --> 01:01:24,232 We made a pact, see, that I would take all the blame to myself. 857 01:01:25,272 --> 01:01:27,552 On the day the police come with the warrant, 858 01:01:27,587 --> 01:01:29,557 I was out, Rose called me to warn me. 859 01:01:29,592 --> 01:01:33,112 When I got home, the police give us five minutes alone and we agreed then 860 01:01:33,147 --> 01:01:35,197 that I'd tell them it was all me. 861 01:01:35,232 --> 01:01:36,267 And I know you think it's wrong 862 01:01:36,302 --> 01:01:39,628 that Rose gets away with it and I pay the price, but 863 01:01:40,072 --> 01:01:41,677 that's the plan we made. 864 01:01:41,712 --> 01:01:45,312 So she could look after the family and that plan is working, Anna. 865 01:01:46,672 --> 01:01:49,712 - Why did you just call me Anna? - Sorry. Janet. 866 01:01:52,592 --> 01:01:54,597 I get confused. 867 01:01:54,632 --> 01:01:56,592 My mind's spinning with all this... 868 01:01:58,392 --> 01:02:00,352 I'm losing everything. 869 01:02:01,432 --> 01:02:02,694 my family, my wife... 870 01:02:02,986 --> 01:02:03,917 home. 871 01:02:06,153 --> 01:02:07,245 And you, 872 01:02:07,698 --> 01:02:10,894 you're helping me through the most terrible time in my life. 873 01:02:11,872 --> 01:02:13,392 You're my only friend. 874 01:02:14,912 --> 01:02:16,832 - I'm not your friend, Fred. - You are. 875 01:02:19,392 --> 01:02:21,632 We're going on a journey together, Janet. 876 01:02:23,552 --> 01:02:26,272 Neither of us knows where it's going to end but... 877 01:02:27,552 --> 01:02:29,512 ... we're on it together. 878 01:02:41,152 --> 01:02:42,474 I have to go. 879 01:02:50,026 --> 01:02:51,110 Mrs Leach. 880 01:02:51,586 --> 01:02:52,470 Yeah? 881 01:02:53,472 --> 01:02:55,512 We won't be needing you any more. 882 01:02:55,547 --> 01:02:56,837 What? 883 01:02:56,872 --> 01:02:59,792 Your services on the inquiry are no longer required. 884 01:03:00,512 --> 01:03:02,752 - Why? - I'm not obliged to give reasons. 885 01:03:03,872 --> 01:03:06,632 You can't just drop me without any explanation. 886 01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:08,992 - Yes, I can. - No, you can't, not now. 887 01:03:12,712 --> 01:03:14,272 What do you mean, not now? 888 01:03:15,352 --> 01:03:17,437 I can't answer that. 889 01:03:17,472 --> 01:03:19,977 Well, clearly you found all this very distressing but 890 01:03:20,012 --> 01:03:21,514 thank you for your help. 891 01:03:52,232 --> 01:03:55,202 I tell you, I'm sick of this, the fucking trouble your father caused me 892 01:03:55,237 --> 01:03:58,182 and those fucking police, yammering on at me. 893 01:03:58,217 --> 01:04:01,501 What I done when, what your dad done when, who stayed in the fucking house. 894 01:04:01,536 --> 01:04:05,112 Well, I'm not taking the blame for fucking nothing. 895 01:04:06,712 --> 01:04:10,472 What you believe don't matter, Hazel. It's what you can prove that matters. 896 01:04:10,507 --> 01:04:12,752 I need you, Janet. Please. 897 01:04:12,787 --> 01:04:14,792 I thought I'd frightened you off. 898 01:04:14,827 --> 01:04:16,597 What are you doing? 899 01:04:16,632 --> 01:04:19,832 I get the feeling that there's more that he wants to tell me. 900 01:04:19,867 --> 01:04:21,877 I think there are more bodies. 901 01:04:21,912 --> 01:04:24,432 I didn't kill Anna. Believe me, Janet. 902 01:04:24,557 --> 01:04:26,347 She guided me through you. 903 01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,514 I don't know what you're talking about. 904 01:04:32,472 --> 01:04:36,192 - Rose isn't even here. - No, but she's in here. She's in here. 905 01:04:36,227 --> 01:04:38,152 For your own peace of mind, stop. 906 01:04:39,552 --> 01:04:41,512 I can't. 907 01:04:42,886 --> 01:04:47,699 Sync and corrected by: www.addic7ed.com. 908 01:04:49,654 --> 01:04:51,654 itfc subtitles